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    G-GMDH

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    Post by G-GMDH on Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:27 pm

    Before throwing away my well earned cash I need advice on which Nvidia graphics card would be compatible with my 2 core Pentium CPU G 2130 running at 3.20 Ghz with 4 GB of RAM on Win 7?

    Currently I am using a Nvidia Ge Force 210 with 1 GB of memory. I have been looking on line at the GT 730 with 4 GB of memory from a supplier here in Italy and would appreciate comments on this graphics card too please.

    Cheers, Mike.
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    Re: Ask the experts

    Post by britfrog on Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:51 pm

    Mike a 700 series is ok a vast improvement over what you have, any card from nvidia will be compatible, james and I have 660TI with 4gb memory and they work a treat there is nothing better unless you get a 970 or 980 which are not cheap, i am looking at 970's but because my system works very well I am in no hurry to upgrade
    However I would not go for the 730 go for a 760 or 780 the -30 cards are happy shopper versions of the -60, -70, -80 cards
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    Re: Ask the experts

    Post by G-GMDH on Mon Jul 04, 2016 3:58 pm

    THANKS Nigel for your prompt reply looking on line as I type......................Cheers, Mike.

    P.S. Searching here in Italy for the GT 760 and 780 is like looking for hens teeth! The web searches are coming up with zero or defaulting to the GT 730 every time, most odd?


    PPS. These are links to one of my preferred suppliers.....

    GT 760  http://www.puntocomshop.it/msi/125731-vga-4gb-msi-geforce-gt730-4gd3v2-vgadvi-ihdmia-4719072407230.html

    GTX 960 2 GB  http://www.puntocomshop.it/gainward/27647-vga-2gb-gainward-geforce-gtx960-oc-2xdvihdmidpddr5a-4260183363392.html

    GTX 970 4 GB  http://www.puntocomshop.it/msi/23195-vga-4gb-msi-geforce-gtx970-gaming-2xdvihdmidpddr5a-4719072365752.html

    GTX 960 4GB http://www.puntocomshop.it/msi/121413-vga-4gb-msi-geforce-gtx960-gaming-4g-dvi-ihdmi3xdpddr5a-4719072393557.html
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    Post by britfrog on Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:26 pm

    the problem is the 700 series cards are 3 years old and were replaced by the 800 900 and 1000 series cards so as stocks ran out they were only left with the unpopular cards.
    I have been looking on ebay for good secondhand cards, in france we have a good site called leboncoin where people sell anything they dont want, sort of like exchange and mart in the UK if you find someone local who is selling a card you can ask to see it working in his p.c. before you cough up
    here gtx 970 cards are selling for 200 -250 euros s/h which is half the price of new, being a good member of the faith I am holding out for one below 200 euros , mah boy!

    to be honest i would look for a good secondhand 660TI you could do a lot worse it certainly rocks my boat

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    that gtx 970 is cheap!!!! much cheaper than France i wonder if they will mail to France??
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    Post by G-GMDH on Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:34 pm

    Business is business these days Nigel I'm sure they would courier it to France. Any thoughts on the GTX 960 4 GB GPU at 190 euros?
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    Post by britfrog on Mon Jul 04, 2016 6:53 pm

    the 960 just about has the same speed as our 660TI , which you could no doubt find for 100 euros but it is a good card and uses less eccentricity than the 660 at least this will allow you to use DX10 in fsx, if you dont fancy paying the extra for a much better card (970_) then get the 960 it will be streets better than what you have fitted now.

    42 degrees here today !! so no grass cutting , but am redecorating the living room
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    Post by ddavid on Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:07 pm

    Mike, I generally have a look at Tom's Hardware for individual GPU reviews and comparisons. They're pretty reasonable and relatively unbiased. I've GT& 670 2Gb for a couple of years and it works fine with my old PC with an Intel Q9400 @ 2,66 GHz.
    Also, I've heard it said that nVidea cards with more than 2Gb don't use the 'extra' 2 Gb - but I'm not certain about the details.
    Good Luck, Mate - it's a jungle out there!!

    Cheers - Dai. Cool
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    Post by G-GMDH on Mon Jul 04, 2016 8:16 pm

    THANKS chaps for all your info and help. Interesting about the Nvidia only using 2 GB that makes a shed full of difference here as a 2 GB GPU is about half the price of the 4 GB ones.

    I have spent all afternoon on the internet and must admit it is like a jungle out there and my head is in a whirl!!!!

    Cheers, Mike.


    PS. +30 C as the sun is going down!!!!!!! Boy o boy its been a very hot one today!!!!!

    PPS. Actually looking at on line prices the difference between 2 GB and 4 GB is around 30 Euros so not a lot in it.


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    Post by G-GMDH on Mon Jul 04, 2016 9:09 pm

    This is a VERY interesting review of the Nvidia GTX 960 GPU and looking at the test graphs your right in saying that there's not that much difference in performance of the 2 GB versus the 4 GB one.

    Cheers, Mike.


    You have to turn several pages to get to the test graphs.....   https://uk.hardware.info/reviews/6389/2/nvidia-geforce-gtx-960-4gb-review-what-difference-does-extra-vram-make-specifications

    Plus this one..... http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-nvidia-geforce-gtx-960-2gb-vs-4gb-review
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    Post by britfrog on Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:04 am

    The 2gbv4gb problem is well documented on the site that mike has used for his comparisons but this refers only to the gtx970, where loads of people felt ripped off because the card did not use all 4 gb in one fell swoop it used 3.5gb and 512 k for slower stuff. However all the testers from the mags etc having tested the card to the edge of the earth and back came out with the conclusion that the card was working correctly and that it was a storm in a teacup. Which put my mind to rest as this is the next card that I am looking at buying.
    However getting back to mikes dilemma whether to buy 2 or 4 gb , according to several games programmers/developers also quoted on the same web site, there is no game that currently needs or uses 3.5 gb of memory as this is an enormous amount of space but it is not out of the question that new games coming out and running at 1440P may well need the 4 gb, so for future proofing it may be adviseable to buy a 4 gb card.
    it is also worth bearing in mind that while fsx may not need this amount of memory, it may well be that we are all on a different sim by the years end as 64 bit sims can make greater use of graphic card memory to reduce the overload on processors.

    However in short Mike anything you buy will make a massive improvement on your currently well overstretched graphics card, however it will undoubtably show up the shortcomings of the creaking processor.
    One advantage that we have being a few years behind the cutting edge is that we can buy cards and processors much more cheaply, the new 1080 card is well north of 550 euros, which is like way more than I have ever paid for a whole p.c. upgrade
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    Post by G-GMDH on Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:37 pm

    Thanks again for all your help. Next silly question will the GTX 960 4 GB board fit in the same slot that I have the GeForce 210 which is PCI E 2.0?

    Cheers, M
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    Post by britfrog on Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:45 pm

    Mike I do not know that answer , my M/B has a PCIEX16 slot, best to ask the supplier so if he gets it wrong he gets it back
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    Post by G-GMDH on Tue Jul 05, 2016 1:16 pm

    Good answer Nigel and I have emailed the supplier with the same question. Cheers, Mike.

    PS I just found this spec on my ASUS H61M K mother board and it is PCI E 3.0 compatible for the new GPU.

    https://www.asus.com/uk/Motherboards/H61MK/

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